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I have an easy time imagining a non-reductive non-cognitivism. You could say "The mental state expressed by moral utterances doesn't reduce to emotions, desires, prescriptions, endorsements, acceptance of norms, or plans. It's just in that general family of things."

I'm less sure that I'm grasping what would be meant for a non-reductive subjectivism. If we're talking about propositional attitudes, what are the relevant truth-makers? Perhaps "murder is wrong" means "[I have the moral intuition that] murder is wrong," where moral intuitions are taken as mind-dependent and primitive?

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It seems like there are two different propositions being claimed here. One is that subjectivism could be non-reductive. The other is that moral anti-realism could be non-reductive. The two are clearly separable and arguably are actually easily separated. Error theory claims that all moral claims are false, it does not reduce these claims to anything else so it is clearly non-reductive (by one sense of reduction one could mean) and also clearly an anti-realist moral theory.

If saying moral claims are wrong is reductive because that would change the nature of moral claims (we presume people making them thought some subset were true and so it changes the judged nature of such claims) then that implies that at minimum any change, complication or nuance to a conventional unreflective moral claim is reductive and so the only meta-moral theories that are going to be non-reductive are going to be completely quietest (add or subtract nothing from conventional unreflective unphilosophical making of moral claims). Subjectivism would also be reductive if it has anything to add or subtract about moral claims.

We could also get into semantic debates about what subjective and objective even mean. Some would claim that reductionist moral realist theories are subjective because they make what is moral depend on some mental property of actual minds and so on.

I think a more suggestive take away is that the meta-ethical debate has been framed such that what non-reductive moral realists add to the moral discourse is somehow not foreign enough to it count as being reductive and what reductive moral realists add while reductive in a technical sense maintains reference to some mind independent essence so as to render the claims still objective. Whereas all forms of anti-realism add something (or subtract something) from the moral discourse such as to change the essential target of sense and so are reductive in that sense (hence error theory is reductive because even though it does not change the technical definition of a moral claim it changes their essential sense) on top of that are often reductive in a more technical sense (posit that moral elements can be reduced to some other kinds of elements such as personal approval and disapproval). Arguably this tilts the situation in favour of the moral realist, in so far as conventional unreflective morality is plausible. It might be useful to thus shift the meta-ethical debate to one about how we should even frame things in the 1st place and this might usefully focus debate on more clearly discussable areas of disagreement. I do sense that a lot of debates between meta-ethicists consist in talking at cross purposes about what even the person on the street even means when they say "oy, that's unfair" and the plausibility or soundness of the utterance.

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